Abuse from TWL members.

Paul.nz · Post by **Paul.nz** » Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:37 pm

The abuse from some TWL members against others about hacking and cheating has got way out of hand.The admin made rules and some members choose to ignore them.If you think someone is cheating or hacking post screenshots or contact viper,mr moo and roadrunner.It is very simple and dosn't need accusations in teamspeak or the server.
Admin has observed many people they thought may not be playing fair and let them play or removed them.
I personally am happy with the admins decision and i am happy they made it and i didn't have to bother with it.
If you think someone is cheating i dont want to hear about it,simply screenshot it or contact the heads.
I personally have been called a hacker and a glitcher from twl members.And thats up to them to contact viper,mr moo or roadrunner.
We are not kids and should have respect for our fellow players.If someone is cheating its their stupidity and we all know they will never get better.All i am asking here is stop accusing people without proof and if you do have proof consult the top admin and not everyone else in teamspeak or in the server.

Knuckledragger · Post by **Knuckledragger** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:47 am

I strongly second that. Well said, Paul.

Hottieshottie · Post by **Hottieshottie** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:04 pm

I have to agree with Paul on this matter. I Dont see the point of making a up roar on ts about it. Screenshot what you believe might be and email over to Viper, Cow, or Roadrunner. There is a time and a place to bring up that issue and TS is not it and neither is the server.

On another note If Paul is a Hacker then women dont have boobies and I do believe I have a pair on my chest.

BillCollector · Post by **BillCollector** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:20 pm

Roadrunner is definatly a Hacker, that Cock Knocker!!!

Knuckledragger · Post by **Knuckledragger** » Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:34 pm

Hottieshottie wrote:On another note If Paul is a Hacker then women dont have boobies and I do believe I have a pair on my chest.

So in summary... If I see a woman who doesn't have boobies, then it's all Paul's fault.

Roadrunner · Post by **Roadrunner** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:58 am

Billy Boy I have been a hacker all my life according to my golf partners.....

As far as the whining in TS- it has gotten to the point of detracting from the enjoyment of the game to listen to it all the time.
An occasional question about a shot or move is one thing, but it gets tiring to hear over and over.

Like Paul says , make your case or get over it, have fun and don't spoil it for the rest of us.

Ouch · Post by **Ouch** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:36 am

ahhh.. I dont miss that b/s..what I dont understand is this..we have admins...long term admins not the newbies..so why is the bitching on ts getting to the point it's a problem?
1) state your concern then end it.
2) if it continues,boot the irritating one off ts.
3)hottie has boobies?
4)paul acts like he does ..lol
5)road is a hack..I heard him just the other nite,,hackin and coughin..was just terrible to listen too.
6)bill is still a pussy but we like him. :)

Paul.nz · Post by **Paul.nz** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:02 am

[quote="Ouch"]ahhh.. I dont miss that b/s..what I dont understand is this..we have admins...long term admins not the newbies..so why is the bitching on ts getting to the point it's a problem?

Ouch that is what this post is about.As far as i am concerned people have to follow the rules or leave.i dont mind if it is forced and clearly a lot of the TWL members feel the same way.I have cracked down on team hurting and now i am going to crack down on this rubbish in ts and the server.
i know i am going to piss some people off and will cop some abuse but i have big sholders so bring it on.If any admin hears this rubbish give a warning then kick from ts.If it happens in the server give a warning then kick.
If we work as a team we can sort this out either by the partys behaving or leaving the clan.

Jimmy · Post by **Jimmy** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:24 pm

I won't post any comments to the Hacking point except to say tell the Admins and I am a hack like Road, at golf that is. I am consistently inconsistent

I do like seeing the humor come out of a bad situation as mentioned above

Note:
to Hottie: I have Man Boobs but I don't need a "Bro" (Paul you have to watch Stienfeld to get this one)
to Paul: W/ your Ping you need all the help you can get
to Wild Bill: You are the King of Kock Knockers
to Ouch: Is there such a thing as a knife throwing Hack?

Love you guys and Miss Hottie

Hottieshottie · Post by **Hottieshottie** » Fri Jan 28, 2011 7:15 pm

@ouch Yes Ouch I have boobies and a nice set at that and No you cant look.
@Jammin Loves ya too and that was pretty funny as heck to and yes i know the show too. :-)
@Knuckle No Im not going to blame paul. I will blame you for popping all of them fake ones :-)

Sgt Rock · Post by **Sgt Rock** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 2:04 pm

Ok .. not wanting to hear all the accusations of hacking in TS ? ok .. point made .. So you don't want to hear it .. doesn't mean it doesn't happen ..

Prove it instead of accusations .. How? screen shots .. give me a break .. SS don't show anything ..

example .. few nights ago .. I was playing .. and there was a player .. Metalhed .. man this person could shoot .. never missed ..I'm thinking .. something going on here .. but i'm watching this player .. and see.. they really know the map .. they move with precision .. they understand spawn points .. and so on .. I'm at first thinking .. hacker .. and i was right

Turns out .. it was Firecracker .. How did I know it was Firecracker .. Paul looked up the logs and told me .. it was Firecracker .. Now I feel a bit like an ass ... BUTT .. more like a bum .. why .. cause after a bit .. i'm thinking .. hrmm .. don't think it's a hacker .. they know the map to well .. there just good .. mentioned to Nasty ... think it's Firecracker .. later that night I find out it was .. BUT since I didn't have any resource to find out who it was .. I at first thought hacker ..

Now why did I at first think Firecracker under the name Metalhed was a hack .. because of the shots he was able to make .. BUT on my own .. watching him .. realized .. nope not a hack .. just good .. even said to Paul .. it's someone we know .. i'm sure of it .. he/she really knows the map/s .. And it's just because I have come across a few hacks .. that you start to think WOW .. hack of a shot . until you watch them .. Then theres the hacks .. they run along walls .. stomp like elephants .. stand in the open .. but have the high score .. how .. playing like a noob .. I don't think so ... Prove there using glowskins .. HOW ? prove they use foghack .. wire screen, with a SS .. isn't going to show anything .. Server software can't stop them from using hacks .. but were supposed to prove it ... it gets frustrating .. then they see Viper show up .. and all of a sudden .. high score dude/ette can't hit anything .. and now your killing them left and right .. hrmm .. wonder why ..

Admins have to start and help with the proof .. you 'admins" have access to logs and what not that we don't .. We all know government is corrupt .. we know this .. PROVE IT .. just cause you can't prove it .. doesn't mean it doesn't happen ..

Clean up TS .. well .. I agree .. I for one love to bitch on TS .. in my own lil way .. but those that have played FPS's for years on end .. can spot a true hack .. and since all we can do it bitch .. well .. thats what you hear .. cause there is no proving it .. UNLESS .. you have a true understanding of map's map building .. spawn points .. fog, terrain.. My last example

It took Viper .. with logs and his true understanding of the maps to figure out one night 'months Ago" that there was a player using glowskins .. and kicked them .. BUT it took him a few maps to figure it out .. did he see the glowskin .. Don't think so .. just know he was, by the shots they were able to make and understanding of maps .. Not easy to prove ..

In the end all i'm saying is .. for the most part .. all we can do is bitch about it .. Wants us to knock it off in TS and server .. all good .. helps clean up TS.. and get back into the game .. Still frustrating playing a clean game .. just to get run over by hacks ..

DAM .. hope this makes sense .. I tend to go off LMAO !!

Hottieshottie · Post by **Hottieshottie** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:14 pm

Just a Note that not all Admins Have access to those logs. Only a small few do.

Paul.nz · Post by **Paul.nz** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:15 pm

Thats a long story rock.The moral of the story is dont accuse people if they get a good score.I know a aussie player if he come in the server would kick firecrackers butt and we will all call him a cheat but i know he is not a hacker.
How would this person feel if he entered the twl server and had to put up with the accusations
Now think of what firecracker has had to put up with.
I myself dislike purpose team kills and bad language.

There is no way we can stop people cheating in the server but its their own stupidity doing it.
Sure they will get a good score but i personally like the challange of killing people like firecracker.
viper at times is impossible to hit as he sways left and right so thats a challange to get him.

I have a program running to remove high ping players and to remove problem players.
I spent about 1/2 a hour one day kicking one person who was entering the server and printing disgusting messages and teamkilling.This person ruined the game for everyone so something had to be done.

Last week someone hacked the chat and printed a message aimed at me but the person didn't realize i get a log every 10 seconds of players and ips.

hottie is correct admins dont have access to ips.admins dont need ips to look after the server.They can change maps,punnish people turn vote on/off etc.

Ips can easily be changed and why should a ip be a confirmation the person is a good player and not a cheat.

My personal view is is people cheat they are idiots and we cant be 100% positive they are cheating so who cares...JUST PLAY.

Paul.nz · Post by **Paul.nz** » Thu Feb 10, 2011 9:58 pm

Here is some screenshots i have taken the last few months.Is this what we really need in the server.

what is a puto?

TMT MEDAL OF HONOR MODDING · Post by **ViPER** » Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:29 am

Paul, you've got to pick your battles.... most that shit is minor for late night or just kick no worries. otherwise is for admin forum discussion.

Rock, all the hacks dont magically clean up when I come on the server. I know they arent hacking so I can kick there butts. If you think they are hacking then they will kick your butt. lol

Screen shots can disprove the hacks that everyone worries about..... glowskins and no fog. This works because the shot is forced on the player and they send it in. If they dont then it can be assumed (if there was some question) that they are hacking and they will be banned.